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01-11-2001, 11:00 PM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: 2 Fister</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/11/2001 7:00 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV><STRONG>Background:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>I'm considering the purchase of all five sizes of Rio Midspeys.  I think they would be handy for speydays.  With these lines, I should be able to use almost any rod under any condition.  I've settled on the Midspey, but still have questions about the sink tips.  Maybe you folks can help.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Question 1:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>I rarely fish sink tips, but want to have them in case I need them.  I'm considering buying only the 6/7 and 9/10 with interchangeable tips and the other 3 sizes without interchangeable tips.  I'm thinking that I could use the sink tips from those two lines on the other three sizes?  (7/8, 8/9, and 10/11)  I figure that the heavier line could always cast the lighter tips.  For example the 10/11 line should easily cast the tips from the 9/10 and the 7/8 and 8/9 should easily cast the tips from the 6/7.  I'd save about $200 if I did this.  Does anyone see any flaws in this logic?  Could I, for example, get away with using only the 6/7 tips even on the 10/11 line?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Question 2:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Rio's advertisement of their sink tips says that they have a "type 3 (3/4 ips)" and "type 6 (6/7 ips)".  I assume the range of 3/4 inches per second is 3 inches for the 6/7 and 4 inches per second for the 10/11.  Does anybody know if that is true?  I can't imagine only gaining 1 inch per second by going from a 6/7 to a 10/11.  Maybe they did it that way just to be consistent between lines.  The purchaser could always get the 24' tips to get deeper.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Question 3:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>I realize that I'd have to cut and loop the 3 lines without interchangeable tips.  I like to strip the coating off, thread 20lb mono up the core, and then make the loop from the mono-stiffened core.  Do the Rio lines (esp. Midspey) have hollow braided dacron cores?  Is there a better way?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Question 4:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>If I buy all 5 lines with interchangeable tips, I'll have 20 different tips, plus 5 different mid sections, and some tips that I already own.  What can I do to keep them organized or labeled.  For example, how could I tell the 6/7 intermediate tip from the 7/8 intermediate tip?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you all in advance for your answers!</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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01-13-2001, 11:45 AM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Dana</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/13/2001 7:45 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV><STRONG>Questions 1 &2</STRONG>:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Logic seems sound here I think. Yes you can use the 6/7 tips on the 10/11; you can even try the 8/9 tips on the 6/7 line just for fun to see how it casts. Lately there has been a move among line manufacturers to standardize their line sink rates among line sizes and they seem to be avoiding the old SA thing where the heavier line weights sink faster than the lighter ones. For example, according to their catalogue all of Airflo's sink-tips and Poly Leaders of identical "type" sink at the same rate in various line weights,so a DI 3 sink tip will sink at 3 ins/sec regardless of line weight. I'm looking at a RIO catalogue right now and it seems like they are adopting a similar approach. If you can find a dealer in your area that has a few MidSpey multi tips (WIndcutter or Accelerator multi tips) you might have a close look at them (or you could email RIO at <A target=_top href="mailto:rio@rioproducts.com">rio@rioproducts.com</A> and ask 'em what's up): if the sink -tips only vary slightly among the line sizes (and I'm guessing this is the case) you could probably get away with getting one multi-tip system--say the 8/9--and the rest floaters. Since you are attaching you tips to the heavier belly portion of the MidSpey anyways you'll find that even a lighter rated line will turn over a heavier sink tip (we turn over 12 weight tips with 10 weight lines, for example). RIO also markets their sink-tips separately, so you can always add any tip you like to your full floaters at any time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another option is to go with Poly Leaders as sink tips on some of your lines, particularly the lighter ones, for example. Airflo makes Poly Leaders, and everyone else offers a variation of the Airflo leaders (I <EM>think </EM>Airflo makes most of these leaders for various manufacturers like Loop, RIO, Orvis, etc). Each company's leaders are a little different in length and in a few cases sink rate, so you have a few options to choose from out there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Question 3</STRONG>:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This approach will work, as will many others. A fairly simple and quick method is to use the Drew's Speed Loops from Umpqua, essentially a braided sleeve with a reinforced loop. Whip the sleeve at the end, superglue it and you're in business.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Question 4</STRONG>:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I believe all of RIO's mult-tip systems come with a head wallet that will hold all of your tips, so this shouldn't be a great problem for you, you'll just need to find a creative way of labelling you wallet. RIO and other manufacturers like Airflo and Loop also sell their head wallets separately if you need extras. See also answer to ques 1 & 2.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hope this helps!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dana</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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01-14-2001, 10:33 PM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: jims</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/14/2001 6:33 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>     Saw your post.  There is a weight difference between the various line sizes on the tips you're talking about.  On the windcutter, for instance, the #6 tip weighs 9.7 gms for a 8,9,10 line.  For a 6,7,8 line the #6 tip weighs 7 gms.  I'm pretty sure thats going to make a diffenence in the way the respective rod casts.</DIV> <DIV>     Iv'e not tried the midspey multitip but it's probably going to be the same.  I have a midspey floater for my 6wt. and like it alot.  With the windcutter,  I had to shoot too much line.  Good luck,</DIV> <DIV>                                        jims     </DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>