Seeking line advice for the new Sage 7136/4

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: DwightJanerich</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/19/2001 8:15 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Has anyone in this forum had an opportunity to cast the new (2001) 7136/4?&nbsp; If so, can you recommend the appropriate floating line?&nbsp; I would like to use a long belly line like the Rio Mid-spey or Accelerator.&nbsp; I will only rarely (if ever) use a light sink-tip.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Dwight&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Fred Evans</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/19/2001 8:39 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Personal opinion only here. But with this blank it's almost exclusivly a dry line rod. The Rio windcutter 6-7-8 is a marv. match-up. Up to about a # 4 hook works best, 6-12's even better. Rod works very well with a double fly set up of larger wted in front and smaller (8-10) non wted as the trailer.</DIV> <DIV>Fred</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Carl</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/20/2001 1:52 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>I just got off the phone with John Harder of Rio, who took time from his evening to return my call about matching Mid-Speys to the new Sage rods (I just got a new 9140-4 2001version) and sought appropriate line.&nbsp; He actually suggests the 7/8 Mid-Spey for the 9140, so I don't think you'll find one to match the 7136.&nbsp; There really is a lot of belly in the Mid-Spey.&nbsp; Depending on your style I suggest either the Wulff or a Windcutter.&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: jims</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/20/2001 2:16 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The only reason I don't like the windcutter is the relatively short length of the belly.&nbsp; I end up shooting line too often.&nbsp; I have the 6/7 midspey for my sage 6126-3 and it works well.&nbsp; You might try the same line for your traditional 7wt.&nbsp; I agree&nbsp;that the wulff line is a good line.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; jims&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: J_D</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/20/2001 8:02 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>I just got a 2001 7136-4 last week. Have had it out twice on the club casting pond. Have not had a chance to accumulate any river time yet. I have cast a windcutter 7/8/9 and an SA 8/9 on it so far. Allthough I prefer to carry a long line rather than shoot line, The windcutter feels like the better of the two&nbsp;lines for me.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The SA line is a long belly line, 77 ft to the back of the taper. The wind cutter is only 54 ft to the back of the taper.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The problem I had, and it could be due to a number of facters, (me, dirty line, too heavy line etc) was getting more than about 55 ft of line&nbsp; off the water. I could, effortlessly, and consitantly cast&nbsp; about 55 ft&nbsp; of line plus 15 ft leader and shoot&nbsp; whatever I could. The windcutter being the best at shooting line since that is just about where it tapers back to the skinny stuff.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>So 15 ft of leader + 55 ft line + 10 ft shooting beyond 13 ft rod = 93 feet give or take a little. Not withstanding the often mentioned, "how far do you need to cast" and "can you really keep the fly under control with all that line out", there is one more thing that comes to mind that I have not heard mentioned very often. That is " how well does it do with a <EM><STRONG>short&nbsp; </STRONG></EM>line and/or short D loop?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>If the lie is only say 50 ft away and you are in close quarters and do not have room for a nice long pointy D loop, then you don't have much line to load the rod. The longer bellied lines, with their nice long front tapers, that mend so well at distance, and that we all like so well, are at a disadvantage in situations such as this.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The WC 6/7/8, like Fred says, works well on the older 7136 and also on the 6126. The new 7136 is a bit more beefy in the bottom end than the old model so I would suspect that if&nbsp;Jims is using a 6/7 Midspey, on his 6126, it <EM>may </EM>also work on the 7136. The Midspey sounds like it may be a good compromise although I would want to try a 7/8&nbsp;before I paid out the bucks. And I would be somewhat skeptical of anyone suggesting a 7/8 Midspey for a 9140.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>For what it's worth, you might look up Rods-US and see what other people were using on the (old model) 7136.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Brian styskal</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/25/2001 6:36 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Dwight</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you decide to go with the midspey for your 7136-4 I would like a report I have the old 7136-4 and would like to get a midspey for it.I have been using the 8/9 midspey on my 8150 and it works awsome for me,casts very well on the old 9140 as well.I would think that the 7/8 midspey should load up the 7136 just fine,one suggestion would be to buy the floater and loop it yourself, no need to have two hinge points in your line.You probably wont be using heavy tips with this rod so there is no need to have a loop at the belly portion,plus you will save youself about 60 bucks.</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Smolt</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/25/2001 10:18 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Dwight,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>This is going to show my ignorance, but if one does not ask one does not learn.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>When you say "loop it yourself", do you mean put a loop in the front end of the line without cutting anything back and then just adding the head when needed?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Charles</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Brian styskal</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/26/2001 3:09 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Charles</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you want to use sinktips on the midspey and you have bought the the full floater you will have to cut the line back atleast 15' from the front end of the line, then you can put a loop in to attach your tips to it. Do not cut this line back very far or you end up with a windcutter.</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Brian styskal</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/26/2001 3:11 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Charles</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you want to use sinktips on the midspey and you have bought the the full floater you will have to cut the line back atleast 15' from the front end of the line, then you can put a loop in to attach your tips to it. Do not cut this line back very far or you end up with a windcutter.</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: DwightJanerich</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/26/2001 9:04 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Wow, thanks everyone for your thought provocing replys!&nbsp; It sound like the Windcutter 6-7-8 or the 7/8 Midspey might work well with the new 7136/4T.&nbsp; I guess I'll see if I can borrow some lines locally and try 'em.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Charles, I agree with Brian, looping your own line is a great idea.&nbsp; I have looped a few lines of my lines and can recommend a few things.&nbsp; I strip&nbsp;about 4" of coating from the line (using light monofiliment to do so, 1/2" at a time) leaving only the braided&nbsp;core.&nbsp; Then I slip some braided monofiliment over part of the exposed core and loop the whole deal back so that I can nail-knot the core to itself several times with light monofiliment.&nbsp;&nbsp;After that, I secure the frayed ends of the braided monfiliment with tying thread the same color as the line coating.&nbsp; Lastly, I cover&nbsp;everything&nbsp;except the remaining loop with AquaSeal (using accelerator so it&nbsp;won't droop).&nbsp;&nbsp;I make the&nbsp;braided loop just large enough to easily slip another similar loop through it.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I hope that's not more than you wanted to hear.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Dwight&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Smolt</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 1/26/2001 10:33 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><UL> <LI>Thnks for the help.&nbsp; Charles</LI></UL></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: loco_alto</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 2/4/2001 3:11 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>I spent some time today with the 2001 Sage 7136/4. Now I'm certainly no advanced casted, more like a rank beginner with the two handed rods, but here is what I found. I had a Windcutter 7/8/9 and a Rio DT8F to play around with. I found that the rod was pretty fully loaded (at least for my casting abilities) with the Windcutter 7/8/9 brought only a few feet into the tip, and like the other posted in this thread, could lift the line with the greatest of ease. However, I was able to shoot line easily on single speys when I did manage to lift the line cleanly. Then I inserted a long-belly section into the WIncutter 7/8/9 which extended the line to 65' total head, and really had problems casting unless I brought about 7' inside the tip. Again, at my skill level, I had trouble picking up more line and forming a decent "d" loop consistently. With the DT8F I was able to consistently cast about 70' of line, beyond which I didn't get good turnover. The rod definitely didn't seem overloaded with 75' of DT8F as it did with 60' of extended Windcutter 7/8/9. Still looking to build a custom line for this rod as per bubba's specs, hoping that they are "on the mark" somewhat for this newer model, and will start out by leaving some extra DT8 belly in there ... anyone got 15' of DT8F they want to part with? the line buying begins... <BR><BR>Curious how a Triangle Taper Spwy 7/8 with about 10-15 feet of DT10F added to the rear would work. any thoughts? </DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: loco_alto</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 2/4/2001 9:29 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>opps - above I meant to write that I had some difficultly lifting the entire WIndcutter 7/8/9 during the setup. NOT the greatest of ease, not consistently</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: bubba</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 2/17/2001 7:24 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>hi loco<BR><BR>mating the TT 7/8 spey with a section of level line was the first foray into line splicing that i did. i initially started the other way around, wanting to increase the forward taper of a SA 8/9. simply mating the TT 7/8 to the belly of the 8/9 SA resulted in a line which could be cast quite far, but it had horrible loop mechanics, and as i have discovered through my splicing meanderings, was too heavy for the (old) 7136. Extending the rear section of the 7/8 with about 20 feet of 10 weight may be serviceable, however</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Fred Evans</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 3/6/2001 3:59 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Ok, I dropped the "big dime" today and picked up my custom built 2001 71364. Dear God it's a beautiful rod. Obviously not a 7wt rod; feels more like an 8wt which is what I've been seeking to fill out the list of 'boy toys.'</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Lines: We've talked about several; I'm 99% a dry line guy. What's the groups recommendation given several of you have had the chance to test drive this thing of beauty?</DIV> <DIV>Fred</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Fred Evans</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 3/8/2001 4:20 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Well, dropped more dimes yesterday and took the advise on the 8wt DT; will add my 2 cents on that choice later. Right now I'm using a6-7-8 Windcutter and it doesn't seem to load the rod all that well. Suspect (and this why I got the rod ... other than ... perhaps too much loose money..) that a real 8wt may be a good match. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Winter run fishing is really heating up on the Rogue. Hooked a SCREAMER after work and the darn thing almost spooled me. Interesting to watch the fly line plus the better part of 100 yards of backing go out in <STRONG>one</STRONG> run.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Yes, this was&nbsp;a 'long range release.' DARN</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: loco_alto</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 3/8/2001 7:29 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><DIV>Fred,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Just a quick note here, as I'm logging in from a research station high in Sequoia NP (too beautiful mountain scenery, though not much double handed water around here).&nbsp;&nbsp;A few weeks ago&nbsp;I started in on building one of bubba's lines.&nbsp; Took a TT 5/6 and looped the entire head of it as the floating tip section of a Windcutter 7/8/9.&nbsp; This was nice - blends in well weight-wise.&nbsp; Lays out really well too, though must be calm winds as the light tip does get blown around a bit.&nbsp; When I get back and as I continue building that line, I'll incrementally post the results that this rank beginner is having.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>steve aka loco alto</DIV></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: loco_alto</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 3/25/2001 3:17 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>re 2001 rod. Rank beginner finds a TT spey 8/9 loads this rod nicely, especially @ 45' - 65'. Turnover was reaaly nice, and agrees with Fred's success with a DT9. It could stand a bit more loading, too, and I'm seeing bubba and lastcaststeve;s thoughts on this - geometry makes a diff. The TT head weighs 532 gr (nominally), the RIO winductter 7/8/9 weighs a little *less* at 525 gr. yet I found that the RIO loaded the rod more (or at least f e e l s like it does more suddenly), perhaps because the RIO weight is concentrated in a shorter length than the TT? THinkning back to the bubba;s belly thread (or is that lint?), I wondered if this might be one case of a longer belly line being easier to handle for a beginner. thanks for Carl again for entering the TT data. <BR> <BR>So THen I snipped back 20' of the TT 8/9 and looped on 35' of TT 5/6 head, adding perhaps a few grains, and bringing total to 80'. Have never tried to handle this much line, and need to get used to it. THe rod didn't feel overloaded though it was harder to set up single speys with all that new line. Found that swinging shoreward on the lift helped w/ the longer line, eased placement, and made for more graceful casts. by the time I was nailing it, it got dark. one of these days I'll have the guts to use a fly with a hook : )<BR></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>