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05-03-2000, 07:56 AM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: John</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 5/3/2000 3:56 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><P>I am a beginner and am having a problem with my double spey cast.  I can make the cast up to about 80 feet and have started to shoot a bit of line.  However, my problem is that on nearly every cast, I am popping the leader when I begin the foreward stroke. The leader apparently comes out of the water, and crashes the sonic barrier somewhere behind me. For most of my casting practice, I am using a 7' poly leader without a fly.  However, I am sure that if I had a fly on, I would pop it off on nearly every cast</P><P>I have tried to cast a little slower, or easier, and I have tried starting the foreward stroke earlier, while a bit of the line was still in the water.  The line still pops on most casts. Any suggestions?  I know that my rod is nearly vertical on the foeward cast.  Could that be part of the problem?</P><P> </P><P>Thanks for any help</P></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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05-05-2000, 03:54 AM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: kush</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 5/4/2000 11:54 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>John,

You should at least have some yarn on the end of your leader. I bet that you would find that you stop popping your leader immediately, it needs a little resistance to cast properly. When I hear my leader crack on the river I KNOW that I've lost my fly. At Derek Brown's classes he recommends a short piece of pipe cleaner to provide the weight it works well and is very hard to hook yourself in the ear if you muff a cast.

Tight lines - kush.</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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05-05-2000, 10:20 PM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: John</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 5/5/2000 6:20 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><P>Thanks for the advice.  I have also recently read about a "grass leader"  which very heavy mono tied with some blood knots cut long for resisitance. I'll give more resisitance a try.</P><P>thanks again, jfk</P></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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05-08-2000, 06:36 AM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: bubba</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 5/8/2000 2:36 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>hi john

agree totally with kush. putting a bit of yarn (i use egg yarn for practicing and teaching... easy to see, easy to cast, floats well too, so you can practice line control too) makes a surprising difference. i would cuation against the use of pipe cleaner while practicing; you can definitly put out an eye with that little bit of wire. it's a good idea to wear some form of eye protection, especially when you are practicing, or on windy days.

anytime you hear any kind of snap while fishing, or even if your leader ends up in a heap, be sure to check you fly, as well as your leader. amazing how easily a wind know can get there!

good luck!</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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05-09-2000, 04:35 AM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: J_D</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 5/9/2000 12:35 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>I would suggest, in addition to adding a piece of yarn, to lengthen your leader so that the total length is about the same as your rod. This seems to be about right for a floating line.</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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05-09-2000, 05:09 AM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: John</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 5/9/2000 1:09 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><P>Thanks fellows, you were all right.  I went out today with about 12' of leader and a large yarn strike indidcator.  Never popped the line once!!      I also cast further with less effort, and even improved my feeble efforts at throwing the underhand cast.  It convinced me that a strong anchor  is pretty important.</P><P>Thanks again, Jack K</P><P> </P></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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06-20-2000, 05:35 PM

<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: eyeman</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 6/20/2000 1:35 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><P>Everyone starting to spey cast will have this problem--and I am barely beyond that point.  My experience indicates that when that happens you are completing what Derek Brown would term a "baaastard cast":the leader/tippet has not gripped the water in the attempt to create a perfect loop,but the loop has actually opened in the terminal portion with the tippit forming now rather than "C", an asymmetric "S".  It helped me to watch my cast and when I had the loop formed with a decent terminal grip, I would never snap.  It may be that the wool indicator you now have on your line may only be muffling the sound and you are still having trouble and not know it----until you get out on the stream. For what it's worth, this is what worked for me.  Strongly recommend you get Derek's video--I think he has a small reference to the snap problem.  It is a wonderful video.</P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P> </P><P>.  With the forward thrust of the rod the tip snaps.  It may be that the wool on the end of you line is simply muffling the snap, but it is still occurring.  In Vincent's video it seems to my eyes that he does this all the time.  Derek's video is wonderful and I believe there is a short note about the snapping problem. The snapping problem may be a multi-factorial problem, but for me watching the loop being formed and assuring at least a foot or so or terminal grip will assure a 'snapless' forward cast and the saving of a few bucks in flies.</P></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>