Rod action for spey vs. under hand casting

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: Peter Mulbjerg</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 4/18/2000 7:29 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><P>Having read some posts on this MB I know there are some who use both spey casting and underhand casting techniques, so it seems to be a good place to pose some questions.</P><P>I'm looking to buy my first two-hander, which I will bee using for all-round salmon/seatrout fishing here in Denmark, but also in Norway and Sweden in small to medium sized rivers.</P><P>I'm looking for an all-round, not too heavy rod, and fell in love with a Sage 8124-3. Having studied casting techniques it seems to me that&nbsp; underhand casting have most of the advantages of speycasting, but is less hard on your arms and body, and requeres less line out.</P><P>Allthough I suppose I will be doing mostly underhand casting I do not want to cut of speycasting, and therefore I considered the Sage 9140-4 or the 14 # 9, 3-piece european Sage, since I believe the 8124-3 will be too short and stiff.</P><P>My question ? Will the same 14' Sage rod do for both casting techniques ?&nbsp; Which should it bee then?</P><P>How would the 8124-3 do using both techniques ?</P><P>Thanks for any comments.</P><P>Peter</P></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: bubba</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 4/21/2000 3:38 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>Hello Peter

good questions. i think there are two really fundamentally different styles of spey casting.... the underhand throw (a single spey, scnadanavian style, which involves repetetive stripping and shooting of line, also popular in the northwest, but usually with a double spey), and more traditional spey casting, based on alexander grant's switch cast, which involves no shooting of line, and "carrying" of all your line. up to a certain point, most decent rods will do both, but faster action rods are GENERALLY more suitable for Per's style of casting, and the deeper flexing, or traditional spey rods are GENERALLY for carrying long lines. one exception is the "slow" spey rods with stiff tips (e.g. burkheimer 15 foot 10 weight and older scott ARC 15-10, which "catapult" heads quite well).

i would say that a sage 9140 is going to be quite soft in the tip to launch long underhanded casts, and a more appropriate rod for this particular application might be the thomas and thomas 14 foot 9 weight. however, i think the t &amp; t is a bit limited for regular spey casting. i am a huge fan of the new scott ARC 15 foot 9 weight, which handles all styles of casting credibly, and the best all round 9 weight rod i have ever cast.

i have not yet cast the 6 weight sage, although i hear it's a lovely little rod. i would suggest that it might be a little light for fish larger than the average deschutes native.

if you are just starting out, i would really quite strongly recommend you consider a rod which is not too fast in action. the faster rods require a fair bit of upweighting of the line, and the development of feel for loading in the butt is quite a bit harder to learn from scratch.

from a value standpoint, i don'thtink you can beat the st. criox 14 or 15 foot rods. i have cast both, and they are quite capable, and have a really nice feel to them. they are also dirt cheap. when you get better, got your own style down, and really get into the nitty-gritty, you can alsways use the st. croix as a very handy backup rod!

good luck!

bubba</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: J_D</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 4/25/2000 6:28 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV>You might want to check out the Celestrial site that has a like on this sites home page. The " how to choose a Spey rod"&nbsp; page discusses the characteristics of different rods. One in particular that caught my attention was the sage 8150. It also shows up on this message board, and I beleive Per has some comments on it. J_D</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: John</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 4/26/2000 2:13 AM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><P>I am just a beginner, and have been trying the under hand cast ala Loop's instructions with a Sage 7136 and Loomis GL3 8/9 and a 9 wt. 40' shooting head.&nbsp; I was really getting frustrated until I received an 8150 in the mail today.&nbsp; I took it out and started throwing the cast immediately.&nbsp; This may only show that all of the elements, line, leader, and rod have to be balanced or compatible for the underhand cast.&nbsp; For sure the 8150 has the backbone to make the cast..</P><P>Regards, jack</P></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE border=1 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=100%><TR><TD nowrap width=100% valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Originator: allrounder</FONT></TD><TD nowrap valign=top><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=1>Date: 5/25/2000 11:50 PM</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0 width=100% bgcolor=#FFFFFF><TR><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica size=2><DIV><P>peter </P><P>see my response to your previous message regarding new colore loop rods,strads in graphite</P></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>