New Loop reels [Archive]

abito

12-08-2005, 03:58 PM

well got to try out that new loop classic last weekend at a little spey gathering.. It sure is a sweet looking reel. And yes it does have a click sound.
There were a few commenting with a classic look the handle could have been made with something other then metal otherwise everyone was drooling.

bolen

12-08-2005, 04:30 PM

The currently sold new Loop reels looks like pure replica of Danielssn reels. What is a quality of the Loops reels?

David Dornblaser

12-08-2005, 07:22 PM

Any other colors other than that pink/red?

David

LCS

12-08-2005, 08:09 PM

What is wrong with a fuchsia reel - I think it will look great with their canary yellow spey rod - very stealthy.

White Mouse

12-08-2005, 08:15 PM

Man, tell me about those reels..........
I am going to fish through the whole season wit an Okuma Integrity in order to save ( read: Hide from spouse:saevilw: ) the money to get one.......
Can't wait to put my hands on one of those babies.
E.

Peter Terndrup

12-15-2005, 02:35 PM

There will be made a limited edition of the Loop Classic in Burgundy.

David Dornblaser

12-15-2005, 05:10 PM

Peter,

What about the Evotec's?

Thanks,
David

Peter Terndrup

12-15-2005, 06:26 PM

Hi David

I also saw one of the new Feather Weights today, and it looks very nice. Much more like the first one from Danielson.

The brake on the new Loop reels feel very nice and smooth, also when you adjust it hard.

Im looking forward to test them in the upcoming seasson.

silver61

12-15-2005, 07:17 PM

Testing FW drag on trout don’t tell you to much about long term durability.
LW or HD is a completely a different story.
My Norwegian buddy who bought New Loop 9-13 and used it for Atlantic Salmon had quickly found that New Loop HD drag, when exposed to strong running fish was jerking and cost him few nice fish.
And he is not alone to have such unpleasant experience on other side of the Atlantic.
Personally I am very happy with my Danielsson LW 8-12. I have used in even on fresh from Ocean Kings and Silver. 100% reliable.

Robert

David Dornblaser

12-15-2005, 07:39 PM

Peter,

The Burgundy Loop Classic (if it comes in Spey size, say like the old LW 8twelve) is goregous. One has my wife's name written all over it. :chuckle:

David

sean

12-15-2005, 07:41 PM

Sweet Jesus with the danielsson crap. They are awesome reels and I own a few but this thread is about the new loops.

Loop drags are great and these new reels loop is putting out are fantastic looking and have great drags in them. It is nice to see them innovating after the split. In the end the split looks like it is going to be good for consumers as we now have even more great reels to choose from. You cannot help but like those classics :smokin:

I know quite a few guys out here who have the new loop HDs and they have had no problems. Plus loop has improved them further in the new generations coming out in 2006 so they should be even better.

-sean

silver61

12-15-2005, 07:56 PM

Sean—

With all due respect , “It is nice to see them innovating after the split”
You meant Coping Danielsson, right?
Compare both reels, look inside ………

I will stop here.
Robert

JasonH

12-15-2005, 08:01 PM

Anyone know when they are going to be available and cost? They look pretty seet!

Jason

David Dornblaser

12-15-2005, 08:04 PM

Robert,

I usually do not make posts that are specifically directed, however, I will now. Those Loop Classics are beautiful and they are not like any Danielsson's that I have seen.

David

P.S. - I have Danielsson reels but no where in the warranty information did I read that I can't purchase Loop reels as well.

sean

12-15-2005, 08:08 PM

I just checked the daniellson site and did not see anything like the classics.Also loop has introduced interchangeable spools of different size for their reels. Something danielsson does not offer nor does it look like they will in the future.

The point is over 1/3 of your posts have been to dump on loop and promote daniellson. You must be involved with them and we have asked many times for you to cool it. This thread for instance never brought up daniellson and it is just showcasing the new loop reels. There is no need for you to butt in and once again bash loop. The only time you come around the site is to diss loop. Please stop, it bugs me.

People with hidden agendas against any products or shops (whether they are sponsors or not) are not welcome on the site.

-sean

silver61

12-15-2005, 08:42 PM

Sean and David–

I have expressed my opinion ONLY about new Loop HD and LW ( the same drag).
They look extremely similar to Danielsson LW and HD ( I guess you have to agree) and the drag concept has been copied ( look inside).
I don’t know what drag Loop is using in the classic models, but if it is the same……

Sean--

Actually Danielsson FW 4-6/5-8 end LW 4-7/6-9 have interchangeable spools for quite some time!!!!!!

People are entitled to buy what they wish.

Good Luck
Robert

mica

12-16-2005, 03:51 AM

Loop Classic's brake should be the same than Loop Evotec.
8 different colours...
BTW. The original Evotec design came guys from Loop, not from Danielsson.

silver61

12-16-2005, 09:58 AM

BTW. The original Evotec design came guys from Loop, not from Danielsson.
I saw the original design, which had several problems, and was completely substituted with the current, flawless design by Danielsson Innovation.

Robert

shotgunner

12-16-2005, 12:18 PM

the new classics look super. one question i didn't see covered yet, will they be easily interchangable from RHW to LHW?

Black is where its at........ turn your rod upside down with that burgundy and achieve the Garcia ABU look :hihi:

Lohi

12-16-2005, 03:28 PM

They sure look good... the new Classics I mean. Does anyone know, where these reels are being made? Sweden?

Peter Terndrup

12-16-2005, 04:14 PM

Hi;

I think the Burgundy version only are made for the shops in Skandinavian, but I will tjeck it up with Christer Sjöberg from Loop.

Here you can see more pictures of the new Loop reels w ww.petermann.dk

fshbm

12-16-2005, 04:23 PM

Does anyone know, where these reels are being made? Sweden?

Aren't all the Loop reels being made in Asia now?

Lohi

12-16-2005, 04:26 PM

I think the Burgundy version only are made for the shops in Skandinavian, but I will tjeck it up with Christer Sjöberg from Loop.
Thanks Peter! Could you also check the country of manufacture of these beauties, please!

Lohi

12-16-2005, 04:27 PM

Aren't all the Loop reels being made in Asia now?
Could be, but these do not look like Asian mass procucts, do they?

Undertaker

12-16-2005, 04:52 PM

If I remember correctly, they're made in Korea now.

And nothing wrong with being manufactured overseas, IMO. How many here drive Asian cars and trucks? I just picked up a new HD, and I'm very happy with the quality. Drag is super smooth. It actually spins almost like a centrepin reel. Haven't fished it yet, but will in short order. I'll report back with my impressions.

spey machine

12-16-2005, 10:36 PM

..........Undertaker, I drive an Asian(?) car,that was made in Ohio 16 years ago. The steel comes from East Chicago IN. And yet a lot of the domestics have engines made in Canada, or are completely assembled out of the US. Hmmm...

Undertaker

12-16-2005, 11:20 PM

Not sure if I get your point, speymachine... Care to 'splain?

Anyway, my point was that just because something is made in Asia, doesn't automatically make it a POS. If Loop can make the gear they do, and I can save a few bucks buying it, I'm happy.

spey machine

12-16-2005, 11:45 PM

.............Undertaker,my point is that a lot of "Asian" vehicles are made here,not in Asia. If I can support my country,I do. However,I won't buy lesser quality to do it. That only encourages the production of more goods of lesser quality. If the new Loop reels are made in Asia,it only means that they are made in Asia. As anywhere else in the world,the quality can be of any level. We all know the quality of the Danielsson reel which is controlled and is made by Danielsson. I don't think we yet know the quality of the new Loop reel,which is made by someone else, and only marketed by Loop. If they are of top quality,good for them.

silver61

12-17-2005, 12:37 AM

Rod

12-17-2005, 04:52 AM

The CNC machines in Asia are the same ones as in Sweden. All they need is an operator to put the part in, push the start button...no employee skill is required. Its all about the program that is inputed into the CNC. It could have been writen anywhere. With ISO standards in use globaly now, most likely these reels are produced in an ISO aproved factory, and trust me...its not easy to earn an ISO standing and keep it.
I just aquired an HD Loop and showed it around to the machinists in our shop....all were impressed with the quality.

Peter Terndrup

12-17-2005, 09:54 AM

Hi;

Just got a mail from Christer Sjöberg.

All the new Loop reels FW, LW, HD and Classic are now made in are modern factory in Korea. They have all the lates CNC teknology, and is able to produce more and with a better finish.
It means also that Loop can much easier and fastere make changes if its necessary.
All the spare parts for the brake and the konstruction are still coming from Sweden.

silver61

12-17-2005, 10:26 AM

So why so many disappointed customers in Scandinavia are returing them to Fly Shops....?
If something goes wrong, can operator in Korea find out what ‘s wrong or just simple will manufacture defected reels. You have suggested that no skills are required………
Everything come to % of defects.

They have all the lates CNC teknology, and is able to produce more and with a better finish.
It means also that Loop can much easier and fastere make changes if its necessary.

Are you suggesting that Danielsson machines are
old and can't produce parts. This is exactly UNFOUNDED rumor someone!!!! is trying to spread in Scandinavia.
BTW, Danielsson reels are perfect, have outstanding reputation and no quick changes are required......

Gillie

12-17-2005, 10:40 AM

silver61,
Where are you getting information that people are returning the reels in Scandanavia ?

Gillie

sean

12-17-2005, 10:44 AM

So why so many disappointed customers in Scandinavia are returing them to Fly Shops

You have mentioned one friend that had issues. That is not indicative of a major problem and loop has said they have already improved things on an already solid reel for 2006 which is a pretty swift turnaround.

Where do you think all the scandinavian guys rods come from.....Korea. All the major players over there have Korea build their sticks. Guideline, Loop, Scierra, etc. Korean shop...Swedish shop. Join the global economy. Well over half of every flyfishermans gear now comes from overseas.

Nobody in this thread has talked bad about daniellson. Once again this post is about loop reels, nobody has even mentioned daniellson except for yourself. How much are they paying you? Last warning...

-sean

silver61

12-17-2005, 11:38 AM

Sean—
First of all nobody is paying me anything, please …..

If lack of Danielsson sponsorship is a legal problem, I can contact the gentleman here in US who sold me Danielsson reels this year and will suggest him to contact you regarding this matter.
Is the any problem with that ?
Let me know and I will give him a call.
I am going to honor 100% !!!your warning/request. At the same I hope you will give me the straight answer on the above questions.

Best regards,
Robert

Undertaker

12-17-2005, 12:52 PM

at 895 euro you ain't saving much, I would like to buy one, but converting the euro's to usd puts it out of my range.

I was referring to their rods and the new Evotecs there. The Classics are sweet looking, but I won't be dropping over a grand on one anytime soon. Out of my range too, mjyp.

I am curious how they compare pricewise to other S-handles out there?

salmo

12-17-2005, 01:22 PM

I own Loop Grey Line 13' wt. 9. even thought I have not pay retial price....
I think it is, like others Grey Line Rods, an excellent rod, particularly with heads. The current somewhat hight retail price is a result of historically cheap US $ .
I am reserving my opinion only to Loop Rods!!!

Salmo

Peter Terndrup

12-17-2005, 02:11 PM

Hi Silver61

So why so many disappointed customers in Scandinavia are returing them to Fly Shops....?
If something goes wrong, can operator in Korea find out what ‘s wrong or just simple will manufacture defected reels. You have suggested that no skills are required………
Everything come to % of defects.

I don´t know where you have it from that Skandinavian fishermens are returning theire old Loop reels.
I know there was some reels with bad finish, but they didnt come out to the customors. The shops returned them to Loop.

They have all the lates CNC teknology, and is able to produce more and with a better finish.
It means also that Loop can much easier and fastere make changes if its necessary.

Are you suggesting that Danielsson machines are
old and can't produce parts. This is exactly UNFOUNDED rumor someone!!!! is trying to spread in Scandinavia.
BTW, Danielsson reels are perfect, have outstanding reputation and no quick changes are required......

I don´t know what standard Danielsons machinery has, but they have allways produced beatuful reels.

sean

12-17-2005, 02:25 PM

I have heard the classic will not be over a grand in the US. European tackle prices are always higher than the US so going by the euro price is not indicative of north american prices. Talked about prices for the US for the largest size has been between 7-800 dollars. Comparable to what the danielsson HDs under the loop label cost. Still up there in price but not astronomical. I can see a price diff from the HD/LW line just because there are more to these reels. The ebonite plate manafacturing and installation add to the cost.

-sean

sean

12-17-2005, 02:28 PM

And silver you have missed my point totally. It has nothing to do with sponsorship. It is your tact that is the problem. You are free to start up your own thread about daniellson if you want, no big deal. Just stop continually attacking loop everytime you get a chance. It is not cool.

As far as sponsorship you will have to talk with Dana as he handles that side of the speypages business. Everyone is allowed to become one.

-sean

sean

12-17-2005, 03:13 PM

I am not fond at all of the burgundy but that is personal taste. What other black classic reel options are out there around that price? I can only think one one, mohlin and that is at least a 6 month wait and nothing close to the capacity of the loops.I have seen the largst ones and you are lucky to get a 9/10 midspey on them.

All the other reels out there are twice as expensive and have much longer wait times. Will the loops ever be heirlooms like the hand made ones, no but for a fishing reel I will look at them seriously next year. Esecially since I cannot touch a large hardy perfect (>4) for under $700.

-sean

sean

12-17-2005, 03:50 PM

I hope I did not come off as making you look anti loop. I was just curious as the the options out there as I am in the market for a classic looking reel. Will have to check out the bellingers but last time I looked his salmon reel was only going to be 3.5 inches in diameter. Hopefully they are going to make a bigger one. The peerless are ok but just do not have the look. Something to my eye seems off.

For the loops I like them stylistically. A nice melding of old and new school. Will wait to see how they do after a few months on the market though.

Guess being a tech guy the korea prices do not faze me...it is where most all of our expensive gadgets come from in some way or another.

-sean

David Dornblaser

12-17-2005, 05:17 PM

Well, I may be in the minority but I like the Burgundy reel. Then again, the reel is destined for use by my wife. I spoke with a Loop retailer yesterday who has seen the new Classics and likes them. They are pricey; the price of a Bougle was my max price threshold until I saw a pic of the new Classic and my wife remarked that it was a beautiful reel over my shoulder. :razz:

sinktip

12-17-2005, 06:26 PM

Looks are nice but feel and sound count just as much in my book. I'm keeping the checkbook closed until I can hold and play with any new classic reels.

salmo

12-17-2005, 06:51 PM

The question, is can hand-made reel match precision of the state of art machine??!!
We want above all 1) reliability, 2) functionality and 3) look.
Unless someone wants to land one fish and put a reel on a dresser to pleasure his/her eyes :Eyecrazy: (Yes I did it with the reels which matched all three requirements)
1) and 2) are the most important.
Bogdans for example are very susceptible to the hydroplaning effect that sealed drag system reels, be it Loop or Danielson, do not have . Drag mechanism have to be of course very well made, but this is a completely a different story.

Salmo

inland

12-17-2005, 08:19 PM

Salmo,

"The question, is can hand-made reel match precision of the state of art machine?"

If you even have to ask this question you don't get it. Not one bit. The question is in a persons skill instead of a robot. Nobody is questioning the 'perfection' of a computer controlled robot. But to answer your question is that can a hand made reel match the required tolerances? Yes.

Are you even skilled enough to be able to distinguish the difference between the two? Can you appreciate what goes into a custom hand made reel? You already answered that...you can't. Just for fun, and one bone of contention as to why I returned my Daniellson for a different brand, why don't you take another mass produced reel and compare their finish work to your beloved Daniellsons? Drag aside, Abel vs. Daniellson in the finish department??? Why can't Daniellson produce the same flawless finish on their reels? I mean, CNC and all.

Your comments about Bogdans slipping when wet are completely off base. At least in my experience. All they require is to be oiled with light machine oil. Pull the spool and oil the drum once every 2 or 3 years with but a couple drops of plain old oil. I have been fishing mine for almost 10 years now and have ZERO problems with them hydroplaning after being dunked. In fact this trait is one more reason why Bogdan has produced the best hand made reel in the history of fishing. Ages old technology that functions superbly with looks and sounds that kill. For nearly 60 years, Salmo.

William

salmo

12-17-2005, 09:39 PM

William,

My comments were only based on one man’s experience, who lost nice Atlantic.
The man who meticulously take care of his fly-fishing gears.
That one case doesn’t change the fact the Bogdan reels, as you said, are the best hand made reel in the history of fishing.
Saying that, when fishing remote, terrain places in Alaska or Europe, where wind!, dust! and went conditions are very common, I will stick to durability and functionality.

Tight Lines
Salmo

inland

12-17-2005, 11:33 PM

Salmo,

Basing one person's results on one single situation is a 'fairly' small range of data to come to a conclusion. Good or bad. I have fished mine in the hinterlands of BC, Scotland, Ireland, Russia, Quebec, New Brunswick, and dozens of rivers in the PNW. Plenty of dust in the desert steelhead rivers I fish too. Plus being hauled around on the hood of my truck at 75 MPH (covered with a neoprene pouch). Still not one failure. Nor would one even be expected. I can assure you that the fine tolerances between the spool and frame effectively shield the dust.

Plus there is but one small intangible difference...the heart and soul that these handmade classics posess. If you really take a look at what goes into each part and each operation, BY HAND...I have nothing but admiration for what these reel makers do or have done.

The photos of the Loop Classics make them look intriguing. I won't lie and say I am not interested. Definately going to have to play with one and really look it over. But what can I say, tackle 'ho I am.

William

NrthFrk16

12-17-2005, 11:48 PM

As all of us have noticed the Simms hasn’t been able to offer WindStopper Fleece Jacket for more then year because a Asian Manufacturer has stopped making them (an official Simms explanation).
Hopefully the jackets don’t need parts…….

a correction. simms' ws jacket vendor was a canadian factory that went bankrupt. now they are being made in china.

Topher Browne

12-18-2005, 12:34 AM

I think you guys have it backward.

The question should be: "Can a modern, state-of-the-art machined reel match the precision of a hand-made reel?"

Pre-war English shotguns (Purdy, Boss, Holland & Holland, etc.) are considered the finest shotguns ever fabricated. Pre-war English shotguns were made completely by hand. Despite the introduction of CNC machining and other state-of-the-art processes, the build quality of the modern double gun does not match the meticulous craftsmanship of hand-made guns under the old apprentice system.

I know a couple of guys who have landed over a thousand salmon each on Bogdan reels. Never heard a complaint about the reel, wet or dry, from either one.

The Olson reel is also a fine reel. Rumor has it, the maker lives and works in an abandoned mine shaft high in Utah's Wasatch range. He mines his own ore, manufactures his own steel and aluminum, and builds each and every one of his reels by hand. Of Scandinavian descent, he will employ only the nimble fingers of retired members of the famed Swedish Bikini Team to work at each stage of his elaborate production.

Jamey McLeod

12-18-2005, 12:49 AM

I know of a Morman fellow that lives at the mouth of a mine in the area and hammers his own damascus hunting knives :hihi: .

Seriously!

R.B. Craddock

12-18-2005, 01:28 AM

I have a bunch of them (HFS! 17, now that I'm counting.) And they are machines of ability and character. Branded in my reel-loving fishing brain is Stan's mantra "...we'll be OK as long as we keep building everything by hand."

For my Atlantic innings, every big stick is hung with a reel hand polished at the kitchen table by it's 86 year-old, salmon-chasing maker. Priceless.

salmo

12-18-2005, 10:26 AM

Pre-war English shotguns (Purdy, Boss, Holland & Holland, etc.) are considered the finest shotguns ever fabricated. Pre-war English shotguns were made completely by hand. Despite the introduction of CNC machining and other state-of-the-art processes, the build quality of the modern double gun does not match the meticulous craftsmanship of hand-made guns under the old apprentice system.

Because the current one are made for profit, and competition forced manufactures to compromised ( economics).
Imagine how many pre-war shotguns were wasted before the perfect one was released.
You have to see custom made one by very skill in the art using current state of the art machine!
Once you achieved certain level of tolerance a product will always perform.
Current machine can do it, in principle, much better on constant basis.
The question is what precision, skill in the art want to achieve, what is the
Spec of the final product and above all what is the price a buyer will pay.

Salmo

andre

12-18-2005, 03:38 PM

"always wondered why his reels smelled like sun tan oil"

I thought they smelled like pizza!

For me reels must have a heart and soul. I'm not convinced the new loops have it, not saying they don't. I have an old Molin that just doesn't have it for me either (I have some thoughts there anyone have his contact info?).

My Perfects (love them, have it), the Bogdan has it I just want a larger one, My Marquis has something about them. Don't get me wrong I want to pick this reel up and play with it but that is a lot of groceries :eek: for something I don't need.

Salmon, your pallie is the first person I have heard of who had anything negative to say about a Bodgan.

William, little extra pep please

andre

12-18-2005, 03:47 PM

This would have a little custom in it.

spey machine

12-18-2005, 03:48 PM

................R.B.Craddock,now I know why those reels are so hard to come by,you have cornered the market!! But you have hit the nail on the head,"machines of ability and character". Yep,that is what you see,feel,and hear when you use something made by hand by someone at the peak of their craft. When you take a couple of quiet moments out of your day to admire one of these "machines'', you can bet that the person who created this ''machine'' has also held it in his hand,and felt the same satisfaction and pride that you do.

salmo

12-18-2005, 03:52 PM

After adjustments the reel is doing fine. It is a grat reel!
I think you will find a few very respected anglers on this board, who have also used then is rugged Kola condition, and had some problems.
I myself have one too.....

Salmo

sinktip

12-18-2005, 04:20 PM

Andre,

I have a contact addy for the guy that works with Bo. I will forward it over or bring it Tuesday night.

D.

Michael Koch

12-18-2005, 05:30 PM

Oh Peter, what have you startet here. Almost scary to to read - and take part in !
What ever, the new Loop Classics are visually beautiful, no doubt, being Corean or Swedish ! Just hope that the braking system is better - or different than the Evotecs (just not good enough for the cost). But Beautiful, - no doubt.
Regarding costs, I dont see anybody mentioning/comparing the Peerless at USD 750.- for the Salmon size 6 model, versus Loop at min. USD 1,080.- to be exact.
And yes, the Loops are convertible R/L hand !

(just hope i didn´nt offend anyone)

Michael