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Are there anyone else who has had problems with the joints on the Tcx "baby spey" rods?
Afte a few days of fishing, small cracks appear in the different joints on the rods.. Sometimes it looks as if the varnish on the female joints goes white with a clearly crack in it and a dark crack forms on the blank and up towards the first guide on each of the different sections?
I have seen this problem on the 5119 + 6119 and 8119 rods.
I am using Rios ASF heads on each rod and mostly for spey-/switch casting.
The line weights are lighter than those recommended for skagit...
Any ideas, anyone?

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Welcome to the Board.

Do you have pictures? That might help. Also, you can PM Meiser, Burkheimer, and ACR, custom rod builders on this Board.

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Hi,

Are there anyone else who has had problems with the joints on the Tcx "baby spey" rods?
Afte a few days of fishing, small cracks appear in the different joints on the rods.. Sometimes it looks as if the varnish on the female joints goes white with a clearly crack in it and a dark crack forms on the blank and up towards the first guide on each of the different sections?
I have seen this problem on the 5119 + 6119 and 8119 rods.
I am using Rios ASF heads on each rod and mostly for spey-/switch casting.
The line weights are lighter than those recommended for skagit...
Any ideas, anyone?

Mikkel
Are you taping the ferules or waxing them and double checking for tightness often and regularly? I have not heard of any complaints on the rods- weird.

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tcx AND vxp

same on my 7119 and vxp, also seeing cork problems too

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I am always checking, carefull not to get sand and etc. In between the joints....
I have been recomended by sage not to use any ferrule wax, since this could cause the joints to get Stock, because of the tight fit and very low tolerance in the diameter... i have never had any problems with the rod pieces becoming loose during a full day of fishing...
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Here is a picture of how it can look....
it is realy weird
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Wow. That is strange. I've fished the 7119 and 5119 quite a bit and have not experienced anything like that. I also quit using wax, the tolerance is tight and they stay together OK during a day of fishing without tape or wax. Please keep us apprised.
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I have a 7119 and have the same issue with my bottom ferrule doing the exact same thing you described. In mine it continues up past the thread wraps and into the thread wraps for the bottom eye. There is a noticeable crack in the blank but in the few days I have fished it since I noticed the problem it doesn't seem to be spreading. I have fished the rod for probably 15 days this summer and other then that I have no complaints. I check my rod pretty regularly while fishing and have had the middle ferrule loosen up but can't remember ever having the bottom one do it. I also have a 7126 TCX and have had no issues with it regarding cracking.
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I’ve observed exactly the same phenomena on the female ferule 2’end section on my TCX 7126. Can’t see any hair line cracks inside the ferule. Never needed to use tape or wax since the rod stays nicely together all through the day. Besides the stripes/cracks underneath the lacquer many of the snake rings are loose from side to side. Only been using the rod with a 7/8 Rio AFS.

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I'd be interested to hear what, if anything, Sage will do here. Functionally it may be fine but that shouldn't happen on a premium rod. Anything that plays on your mind while swinging could hamper hooking that one or two pulls a day.
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my 7119 started out the same, but looks way worse than that pic. it now has several hondred hours use. same with vxp. both started after a few dozen hours, and are both right at about a year old. deathstar i have, a year or so older, is fine. maybe all these rods were built around the same time. i use wax, and never had them loosen or stick.

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Are these factory rods? That "crack" appears to run under the red band, not through it. What does the inside look like (use a really bright light), can you see if the crack is actually through the blank or just in the topcoat varnish? I'd send this pic and comments to George Cook (geocook at comcast dot net). Good luck. Paul
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Where are the white lines in relation to the guides?

They certainly appear to be similar to cracks however, the cracks may be only in the bright green outer finish, not the internal graphite structure.

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I have had two rods where the cracks went all the way through and caused broken rod...
On some rods it looks as if the cracks stay in the green outer finish.
I have seen it all around the ferrules, does not seem to have any relations to the guides...
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My fishing partner and I teach spey casting on weekends.

Today we checked out our TCX rods.

Two 7126 TCX (one with hard use and is over one year old) in addition, three 11'9" TCX rods.

None have any signs of white marks or cracks.

Note that we also use candle wax and twist the sections together.

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