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Mackenzie FX1 Graphene

Has anyone out there spent any time on the water with the Mackenzie FX1 Graphene rods? I'm most interested in feedback on the 13' #8. Thanks

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Would love to handle one. If this process becomes cost effective eventually all big names will follow. Been fantasizing about one.

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Graphene FX1

I recently fished one for a few hours. One of the guides in a lodge I was at had one, and one of the guests had 3 of them - all lined differently, for different situations. His theory was that it was easier to change rods than go through all the hassle of changing leaders, head, tips, etc. And he really liked the rod, i suppose.

Anyway, first, it is incredibly light in the hand. Which meant that it had a very light reel on it, so the whole set up was light. My rod set up was probably 2 to 2-1/2 times heavier, mostly because I use a rather heavy reel to balance my heavier rods in a "tip up" position.

The rod seems very fast to me, and it took some casts to really get the feel for it (I am not a fantastic caster, but reasonably competent). I think the line was a bit light for me, and with a slightly different line, I believe that I would have cast it better right out of the gate. We were fishing some fairly small water, and there were not many places where the entire head was used, though, so perhaps it was lined OK. Having the entire line load the rod makes a big difference to me.

I thought the rod was very attractive. It is apparently made in the UK - at a secret location, under strict security to protect the technology - I am told. The other rods in the MacKenzie line-up are apparently made in Korea. I have two of his 6 piece spey rods, and plan a third in the near future. Excellent rods, plus he includes a free fly line of your choice.

Anyway, I cast one for a few hours. If you have specific questions, feel free to ask.

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Yes one question

They have a large quiver of rods. Why on earth don't they make anything lighter than an 8w?

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Sounds like great rods and the aesthetics of the other rods look sharp too

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Good question. The Graphene FX1 had a very small cross section. I suspect that making it in a 6 or 7 would result in such a small cross section that other problems would surface, such as durability. Of course, if it were made as a 12-0 7wt, maybe that would not be a problem. I also suspect that MacKenzie aimed for the "sweet spot" with that rod (the FX1 in general) in order to maximize sales. Maybe more coming?

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Hi Jim


That's a good point. I was thinking more in terms of the redundancy in rod lengths and weights they offer. The very much compete with themselves it would seem. If you look at Sage or Loomis they offer different rods at different lengths so they don't overlap most of the time and if they do it's for good reason like action or application. Look at Orvis and they offer one length in all weights

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From what I gather Euto rods tend to be classified one size heavier than those in US. So an Euro 8 will be US 7. Dont want to throw misinformation out but that was the talk recently. I doubt small cross section is the reason. Its Euro market. They like 8's and up.

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Rod blank technoly evolves little by little and stiffness/weight ratio increase. Hopefully strength as well but that is cost vise not possible to test at home lab Currently looks like Sage has lightest rods and Loomis took a definite step on Asquith (15ft #10 weights 250g / 8.8oz) which is about 40g / 1.4oz less than NRX. It is strange when Mackenzie tries to give an impession of technological break thru and don't tell rod weights

European Scandi rods were softer than USA rods in the past when AFFTA fly line standars was used in Europe but not anymore because it was not used where it was made Traditional English long line rods were and still are stiffer than average USA rods.

However when blanks lighten the role of fly line becomes bigger for rod "load" and then we have to change the casting stroke more when casting distance is changed. Shorter and chrispier stroke for a short cast. Perhaps for an old dog it might be easier to change to a heavier line to cast close

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Century in the UK make these rods.
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Mackenzie FX1

Hi All,
I will try and answer a few questions on the FX1 as Scott is i believe still Steelheadin in BC,

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Anyway, first, it is incredibly light in the hand. Which meant that it had a very light reel on it, so the whole set up was light. My rod set up was probably 2 to 2-1/2 times heavier, mostly because I use a rather heavy reel to balance my heavier rods in a "tip up" position.
I would imagine with not having the whole line out the tip of the rod the line would feel light and probably not help in making a judgement on the FX1, yes it is light and powerful and good to hear you enjoy the two Atlas rods you have, Like the G2 range it was also an award winning rod range, a 6 section rod that was voted fly rod of the year against all 4 section rods i mention this only to show the FX1 is from good pedigree and a range of rods that again got months of prototypes and testing.
I winder if you were fishing with Derek Barber, a really busy Steelhead guide and DTX pro staffer ?

domantas, that is about spot with the line ratings, a UK 8 is around a US 7.

J.James, Scott has a range of rods like the G2, the Atlas, Switch rods and the Perflex, all in different lengths and line ratings, the action in all the rods is designed differently, speycasters all like different actions and that is the reason for the different ranges and lengths/ line ratings ect.

The FX1 in in the three most popular lengths and line ratings in the UK where the company is based.... the newly opened office (5 mins from the river Ness ) is where all the development and testing is done.
I am sure in time you will see the FX1 range expand into all sizes and line ratings but Scott has orders in the three sizes to fulfil at the moment.

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It is strange when Mackenzie tries to give an impession of technological break thru and don't tell rod weights
I cannot find where there is a quote stating these are the lightest rods in the world, or really what you don't understand about the first Double-handed rods being made using Graphene and the manufacture of these rods.
I am sure the rods could have been made as light as air if that was the objective, but the action of the rods was always going to be more important that a few ounces in weight, i really coulldn't tell you the weight of each model, but as Jim says they are light in the hand compared to most others.
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I had to google Century rods as i had never heard of them, and they have nothing to do with DTX or the FX1 range.

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I played with that very rod last week (13' 8wt) - Much too light for my preference.
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Hi Gordon, if you are able to tell us who doesn't make the fx1 rods, could you please tell us who does ?

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Gordon how the FX1 action has got better?

In practise what comes to progressiveness of the casting experience comes mostly from the blanks getting lighter where stiffness/weight ratio is more accurate feature. Some improvement come from the possibility to build blank thinner to reduce the air resistance. Then there is strength getting better but it has no direct influence to casting other than rod needs to be made strong enough that it does not break when used normally.

Of course there is detailed rod designing but it is only rod bend/load curve tuning and can hopefully be done despite the used materiasl and then the level of progressiveness shows on a scale.

Rod marketing can use subjective terms: light, fast, efficient, easy, fast recovery etc. but without numbers they are meaningless words. I know the rod line number can be very inaccurate. When I get a rod I measure its stiffness and action and weight sections and there are objective values which can be used to rate the rod. Then even before test casting I know how it is going to feel just comparing stiffness, action and section weights to my other rods which I know how they feel.

The engineer who has been involved has previously improved F1 car components making then lighter and stronger and thats why the graphene is used in FX1 as well.

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When I get a rod I measure its stiffness and action and weight sections and there are objective values which can be used to rate the rod. Then even before test casting I know how it is going to feel just comparing stiffness, action and section weights to my other rods which I know how they feel.

I just go out and cast a few with different lines, feel the rod in my hands during fishing conditions and that's it,........ but i don't design rods, still the feel of the rod means more to me than staying at home doing test curves.
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It is strange when Mackenzie tries to give an impession of technological break thru and don't tell rod weights

The first Double-handed rod to use Graphene is not a technological break through, o well.

The engineer who has been involved has previously improved F1 car components making then lighter and stronger and thats why the graphene is used in FX1 as well.

Paddymac, No.

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Thank you so much!

I was unaware that a Euro 8 is an American 7ish

Keep knocking them out! and please update us you go

Thanks again

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