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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 05-06-2017, 10:53 PM Thread Starter
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Hey folks,
I checked the forum on this topic c before posting, but couldn't find an answer to my question. (I did check &#128512

I'm using Trilene big game 40lb mono, and struggling with line management.

I try to loop some in my pink & ring finger, while leaving some line out in the water as well (I guess 50/50 like the videos) but sometimes when I shoot it gets coiled up in the bottom guide like I tied a knot!

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Hey Yooper,
I used to have the same problem some time ago. I found it would happen when trying to hit it too hard on the forward stroke. Get a good load on the back cast and make a smooth stroke to a stop on the forward. The line won't jump up so fast from the coils you are holding and tangle in the stripper guide.


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Tie the tag end of the monofilament spool to a trailer ball. Walk out all the line you want to put on your reel. Stretch it out really well. Wind it onto your reel nice and tight. The difference is amazing. Also, 30 lb. Big Game shoots better than 40 lb., I've found.
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Tightly stretched mono can warp some arbors. If you go that route, a bit of Dacron on the arbor first can prevent a ruined reel.
I suspect most of the milled spools are immune to the warping, but some older, light spools will become paperweights.
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Do a search for "loops vs. coils" & see what you come up with. And then there's always the "George Cook method for Dummies" If you're anywhere near the Portland area, the Sandy Clave is next weekend. That would be a good place to be.

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Yooper,

Try giving it a little stretch when you pull it off the reel and just leave it all in the water......i.e. don't hold any loops. Simply hold it over the bottom of the reel with your bottom hand and let it fly. I very seldom hold any loops with mono unless I've got a bunch off the reel and it's causing problems. Much simpler than dealing with coils and running out of fingers to hold them.

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Here is the link to a bunch of really good videos I gathered for an article I did on running line management. They are all very good but pay attention to the one by Nate Bailey.

Berkley sinks so for long casts sometimes it helps to at least hold a couple big coils unless you are in moving water in which case you might need to divide your running line by three, at least if you double spey. Sometimes you can get away with holding them all in one finger.

Here is a cut in paste from the article.
Rule #1 Always stretch your mono running line but never across your yard at adamís apple level during high traffic hours for foot travel. Wives do not appreciate this. A better option on the river is to wear rubber gloves and stretch it by hand before you fish.
#2 Donít count when stripping line if you donít have too. Thatís too much like a work activity. Strip it in until it looks about right.
#3 Itís almost impossible not to count.
#4 Use Varivas running line so you donít have to count, just strip it in and let it fly, at least if your in slack water. Varivas Airs running line is expensive but each spool is labeled ďNo counting required!Ē
#5 For poor people Berkley Big Game #40 works pretty good for running line although it does tend to sink. But itís cheap and when it gets too curly you just chop it off, stash it in your waders and pull more fresh stuff off the spool, loop it, and go back to fishing.
#6 With mono running line I grip the line with my top hand birdy finger, run it over the reel and grip it with my bottom hand birdy finger, in the fold of skin on the top joint, always, then I release both birdy fingers for the cast, similar to Robert Gillespieís video below, only I use as big of loops as I can get away with, including non at all.

#7 25 lbs test Berkley works really good, but sometimes it will break and you may have to go for a swim to retrieve that expensive shooting head you just bought. So only use at least #40 and replace it if it gets dinged on the stones.

#8 You can also hold your coils in your top thumb. Press the loops with your thumb onto the cork and release the thumb when you cast. If you are transitioning from the double birdie finger mono release be careful not to throw your rod into the river.

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What SA said in post #2.

Too much too fast on the fwd stroke will bunch any type of running line in the stripping guide, mono just makes the knot tougher to get out

My preference is Varivas.

The other posts have great tips on mono and line management but won't help if the fwd stroke is overpowered.

Another tell tail symptom of overpowering is tailing loops. The power in the cast is low enough to avoid line bunching at the stripper guide but too high for a straight tip path and here comes the tailing loop.

I struggled mightily with what I thought were two separate issues (line management/bunching & tailing loops) for a good while. What a relief it was to learn both have the same cause and fix.
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Sorry to derails just happen a question about line management as well.

After the forward stroke and the line is shooting out. Do you allow the line to shoot from your hand. Or do you drop the line into the water and let it shoot from there?
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Sorry to derails just happen a question about line management as well.

After the forward stroke and the line is shooting out. Do you allow the line to shoot from your hand. Or do you drop the line into the water and let it shoot from there?
Good question!! I think I see where this is going!

I started to loop it in my hands in a descending order I.e. 4 strips then loop, 3 strips then loop...........found this helped out, but.......

I believe when I shoot I drop it all in the water and let it pull from there.

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I've been watching lots of youtubes videos. Seen people do both most people just drop the line onto the water when shooting line.

When i first started shooting line i was looping it exactly like you described, that was a week ago. I started experimenting with the 50% rule and find it shoots the same with only a single loop when shooting ~70 feet. When casting further will more loops help me shoot further?

For people that use mono running line, does the line sink when you drop it while shooting line?
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