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Introducing Rio's MOW Sink-Tip System-No More Splicin' & Dicin'

Just what you have all been waiting for. I know certain site sponsors already have them on order.

M.O.W.
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New for May 2010 is the M.O.W. system of kits and individual tips available for the first time commercially. This is to say for the first time outside of the inter-sanctum Secret “chop-shop” Society. The M.O.W. system named after the collaborative efforts of Mike McCune, Scott O’Donnell and Ed Ward brings to market an unique and highly effective system for today’s Spey-angler. In addition to the two-handed enthusiast, single-hand use of various M.O.W. components (particularly on Versi-Tip flylines) will quickly find success as well.

M.O.W. a brief history. Spey-Jedi, Ed Ward was one of the first of a small group of hardcore anglers that began utilizing such tips in the late 1990’s/early 2000 period. Mike McCune and Scott O’Donnell had been using custom-made Cheaters as length compensators for short T-14 tips on both the Oregon Coast as well as their Grande Ronde fall guide season. Over the course of the last 10 years, other folks have gotten onto this concept via the 3 Amigos allowing the Secret Society to build their own “chop-shop” product. This concept was needed to overcome the boomerang aspect of fishing 2.5’ to 7.5’ sinktips that were attached directly to a Skagit or even Windcutter type head. The integrated floating portion provides a buffer of smoothness making casting such short tips feasible, smooth and effective.
Usage. To quote Mike McCune: One of the primary reasons for our adherence to Skagit principles is its unmatched versatility under a broad range of fishing applications. Not all good steelhead water is of a classic format. Indeed, some of my best water is anything but classic. Basalt ledges punctuated by large boulders defines many of my “go-to” spots. This is where the short tip excels. Having the capability to swing the fly through the zone with proper speed is very difficult if not impossible when using standard length sinktips. Often, I can consider that I am steering the fly through this type of water as much as swimming it. One of the most difficult aspects confronting the sunken fly angler is developing the ability to see the imaginable third dimension that exists below the water surface. I think that these tips help greatly in regard to learning this. Other examples of the use of short tips would be clear water extreme angle presentations, shallow tail-outs and enhanced depth penetration under summer/fall conditions.

Other uses for the M.O.W. system would be small-stream pocket water, along with boulder patches (Oregon Coast/Olympic Peninsula/SE Alaska), deep frog-water steelhead runs that have always proved problematic to the standard sink-tip approach, Alaskan slough-edge king and silver water along with general high-water soft edges. It should be pointed out that these tips excel on both shorter Spey rods (12’3” to 13’9”) along with Switch rods in the 10’6” to 11’6” range.

The M.O.W. concept in its initial offering features T-14 and T-11 systems (T-8 available September, 2010). T-11 M.O.W.’s will for the most part match up with 425 to 625 grain heads while T-14 will match up with 475 to 750 grain heads. However, as with all things Spey, there is always a given level of overlap which is to say the T-11 can and will perform on a 650 to 750 grain setup and that a T-14 in a 2.5’ or 5.5’ M.O.W. will see time on 350 to 450 grain heads. McCune, in his initial write-up, felt that tip selection (T-14 vs. T-11) was greatly influenced in terms of overall fly size and weight coupled with such factors as water speed/depth/temperature along with rod setup/size with consideration to wind direction and severity.

M.O.W. System Kits and Individual Pieces. Available May 10th will be both the M.O.W. Kits and individual tips as follows…
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Both T-11 & T-14 Kits, $149.95/kit retail complete with wallet consisting of:

2.5’ x 7.5’ M.O.W.
5’ x 5’ M.O.W.
7.5’ x 2.5’ M.O.W.
Both 10’ & 12’ Double-Looped SInktips
10’ Floating Tip

In addition to the full-on kits, any of the individual M.O.W., 10’ or 12’ sinktips and specialized floating tips, can be purchased individually. Prices ranges from $19.95 (10’ floating, 10’ sinking, 12’ sinking) to $24.95 (M.O.W. tip).
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Wow Ryan...

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To elaborate, this is a tip system that uses varying LENGTHS - 2 1/2', 5', 7 1/2', 10', 12' - of a singular super-fast-sink material to achieve different depths of presentation, as opposed to the "standard" 15' of varying DENSITIES approach.

The "problem" with the varying length approach, has been exactly that - the length variation between the shortest tip of 2 1/2' , to the longest of 12', changes the dynamics of casting by such a degree as to make casting consistency difficult to maintain throughout the range of tips. The "answer" is to integrate floating sections of line into the system to produce consistent length. In this case, 10' is the "target" length, so the 2 1/2' sinktip has 7 1/2' of floater "added" on to it, the 5' sinktip has 5' of floater attached, and the 7 1/2' sinktip has 2 1/2' of floater attached. The 10' sinktip, being the target length, is straight 10' of sinktip. The 12' sinktip is also just straight sinktip material as the additional 2' of length doesn't change casting dynamics very much.

Each tip has a very neat and trim factory loop on the attach-to-the-belly end. The tips that are integrated float-and-sink, have a smooth, seamless transition between the float section and sink section which, as a builder-of-all-my-own-tips, I find to be extremely nice.

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More about MOW...

...the premise of this system - precise control. As an example, let's use the shortest tip - the 2.5 - as the example as it is the one most likely to produce the question of "why such a short tip?". The circumstance: a boulder studded tailout, rather "soupy", slowish currents. The actual river bottom depth varies from 2' to 3 1/2', but the boulder tops range all the way up to within inches of the surface. Using the 2.5, casting nearly straight across stream to induce swing because of the slowish currents, lead the line with the rod for a moment to allow instant sink, then tighten up and allow a slight downstream belly to form to start the swing. The 2.5' of T-whatever QUICKLY produces a fly depth in the 12" to 18" range, perfect for this depth of water. As the fly swings around, tension the line (raises the fly) as needed to "steer" it over/around hightopping boulders, then immediately detension the line to quickly sink the fly back to "proper" depth upon passing any "obstacles". Why not use a 15' Type 3? The longer tip will have a greater tendency to "wrap" boulders because of more below-the-surface exposure. Also, the type 3 won't drop the fly back down to fishing depth nearly as quickly after passing a boulder as will the 2.5' of T-whatever. How's about a floater, long leader, and weighted fly? Another workable choice for this water type - excellent at "instant drop" of the fly to depth - but will not "hold" the fly at depth very well when put under tension, and is very poor on casting accuracy if you need to target a specific pocket. This is a typical scenario where short but very fast sinking sinktips provide superior presentation attributes than longer sinktip configurations.

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With trout season coming-on, wonder if I might get a comment on effectiveness of swinging for trout with streamer, leach, or wooly patterns. The M.O.W. sounds like "the ticket", for sure. I drift tandem nymphs, in lieu of a hatch, now. Just wanna swing. Thanks.
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wonder if I might get a comment on effectiveness of swinging for trout with streamer, leach, or wooly patterns.
It is very effective. I've sent a boat load of baby speys and switchers to guys using this method.

The MOW tips will be very popular with guys wanting integrated balanced tips but not wanting to splice their own.

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It is very effective. I've sent a boat load of baby speys and switchers to guys using this method.

The MOW tips will be very popular with guys wanting integrated balanced tips but not wanting to splice their own.
Or simply guys that spend a fortune buying sink tips to dial in specific fishing situations like this.

I think 150$ is very reasonable for such a diverse package.

I know that I have spent a lot more than 150$ on sink tips in the last couple years in an effort to cover all the fishing situations I encounter.

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I'm interested in replacing my old set of home-made tips and these look just about perfect but I am wondering about the loops on them. As the tips are already at the perfect length and are, by their design, not meant to be cut back any further, do all of the tips in the set have loops at both ends?

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all tips are double-looped.

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I assume that these are intended for spey rods.

Will they work as well on switch rods?

So I guess these replace cheater sections. Do they cast or fish a whole lot better than using a cheater? Or is this another clever way to make $ by the line industry?

I will keep an eye out. I may have to get a set for my smaller spey rods.
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amen on spending more than 150$ on sink tips in the last year and a half. ill gladly drop that much again to avoid splicing and dicing on my own (im lazy and not that good)
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Of course it's another way to make money. Afterall the line companies aren't charities and they are in business to make a profit. I personally can't see a problem with that concept.

Past that no one is forcing anyone to buy anything if one doesn't want to. Many people don't like the cheater concept because of the loops. A search of the archives will show several posts relating to making integrated tips (something that can be time consumming and expensive) and people wishing the line companies would build commercial versions of same. Now a line company has done just that by filling another marketing niche and they will make money, as they should.

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Benefit from efforts of extremely talented individuals...

who have watched us fish, before we had a clue, and, after fishing and become masters themselves, before we ever even considered hiring them; or, would you prefer to start from scratch and figure it out for yourself...

Tres Amigos introduced Skagit Short for the benefit of most of us; their guiding, teaching and posts have enlightened many of us...

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I have seen the posts on how to build these yourself but like others I don't have the will/skill/time to build them. I am sure these will be great if Ed Ward was involved.

Maybe he can chime in on how well they work with the different lines and if they work with switch rods.

Are they best used with Skagit lines or Skagit short lines? I guess maybe it depends on the length of the rod. All I have so far are Skagit 27' lines, cheaters and home made tips.

What company is making them?

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I am not Ed Ward, but I can tell you they will work with switch rods as well as single handers.

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In addition to the two-handed enthusiast, single-hand use of various M.O.W. components (particularly on Versi-Tip flylines) will quickly find success as well.
These tips and tip kits are from Rio.

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