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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 05-14-2017, 08:30 PM Thread Starter
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Drag necessary for Salmon?

I fish mainly click & pawl for Steelhead but will be heading to BC in a couple of months to hopefully tangle with some Chinook. Will I be completely out gunned with c&p reels? My largest c&p is 4 1/2" prewar Perfect.
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I've wondered the same thing!! So, I purchased a nice SpeyCo reel that I will test out on chinook. But I also picked up a Danielsson H5D 11 fourteen in case I wanted drag.

Those Danielsson reels are made in Sweden in a family shop, have an almost cult like following, have a near perfect reviews (just do a search here), and here is the best part..............can be bought for $300. My price, shipped to my door from Sweden was $298.

I've heard there drags are magical on big fish too.
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Most Chinook like to dig down and bull dog you with some moderate runs that G/P can handle, and a good hardy can handle most(95%) Nook runs. But there will be some that even the best cork drag is not gonna stop that "ONE" !! When it wants to leave the pool it will!! Had up to 25# with my 4" Bougle without an issue, just a lot of work with a lighter rod. I would be using a stout rod if your actually targeting big chinook, like a 10-12wts for quick work. Have fun!

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Any drag that will handle steelhead will handle Chinook. It's the rod that requires consideration.

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You can use a click and pawl like a Hardy Perfect in the larger salmon sizes, but just keep in mind these fish are very strong so it be more work using a reel like this. I used my Bogdan Large Salmon no.2 last year for Chinook, I fished the reel with the drag set half way once hooked I would keep keep moving the drag had some fish peel off line with the drag set almost the whole way (full on). Also used a 4" Perfect but preferred the Bogdan, lots of palming with the Hardy and the Bogdan is a multiplier which helps. The largest I caught was about 35lb, had the unfortunate experience of foul hooking a large fish hope that never happens again. Was quite the adventure before I could get my fly line back on the reel in order to break the leader.
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Most Chinook like to dig down and bull dog you with some moderate runs that G/P can handle, and a good hardy can handle most(95%) Nook runs. But there will be some that even the best cork drag is not gonna stop that "ONE" !! When it wants to leave the pool it will!! Had up to 25# with my 4" Bougle without an issue, just a lot of work with a lighter rod. I would be using a stout rod if your actually targeting big chinook, like a 10-12wts for quick work. Have fun!
+1 on this. The rod is the key. I do like using a reel with a large arbor for chinook, especially when they decide they don't want to leave the pool after all and swim upstream quickly on you. I use a Charlton Mako with a spey spool and a shorter rod (CFB 9135) and feel equipped to handle both the bulldogs and the get-out-of-dodge fish - though the latter usually decide how that fight is going to turn out.

Good luck. If you like feeling helpless once in awhile and you don't mind having sore arms and shoulders at the end of the day you've come to the right place...
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Yooper-fly, I think I am going to pick up one of these Danielsson reels. Did it come with a case?

Did a search as you suggested, came up with this cool vid

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Hey HART, are there any distributors in Canada or are you buying it from their website?
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Sorry to go off topic from the original thread.

I bought directly from the manufacturer, go to their home page and change the language to English. Find the reel you want and click "Buy In Our Webshop". Switch pricing to USD and the other tab price excluding VAT. Shipping was 24$. H5D 9-13 ended up 288 to my door. It does come with a neoprene case. I have been looking for a full frame disc drag reel with an arbor greater than 4" but light enough to balance a lightweight spey.

That was the first time I saw that video, I cant stop thinking about it, once in a lifetime fish epic battle caught on video. One thing comes to mind "FISH ON", Oh and personal flotation device
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Thanks for the info, reel looks great just prefer to pick up the reel and see it first hand before purchasing.
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The Steelhead fights like a gray hound and the Salmon fights like a pit bull. I use the Abel click and pawl reels and if I have too I can palm it. Over the years I have caught hundreds if not thousands of big fat Salmon with C&P reels, now after that being said, I guess you could over gun yourself with a bigger drag system if you want, however I haven't ever found it necessary....keep it simple, my 2 cents

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The Steelhead fights like a gray hound and the Salmon fights like a pit bull. I use the Abel click and pawl reels and if I have too I can palm it. Over the years I have caught hundreds if not thousands of big fat Salmon with C&P reels, now after that being said, I guess you could over gun yourself with a bigger drag system if you want, however I haven't ever found it necessary....keep it simple, my 2 cents

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Chinooks you have maintained, where they wild and fresh out of salt ( Alaskan for example , hooked in the lower part of river)) or hatchery and/or hooked in the upper part of the river ? The difference between these two is like a day and night.

I would not fight relatively fresh 30+ lb AK King without a drag......Another aspect is, how long one whant to torture the fish......
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Yooper-fly, I think I am going to pick up one of these Danielsson
Danielsson are great reels with decent brake, proven by many salmon anglers in Scandinavia and Kola Peninsula. AFAIK company don't have dealer network worldwide, and mostly rely on direct sales from their web site
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"Drag necessary for Salmon?"

I for one wouldn't recommend it, a taffeta ball gown would get very badly creased inside chest waders & certainly the more traditional Scottish beats on the classic rivers tend to view that sort of thing in a very poor light.

I'd stick to tweeds if I were you; if you want to cut a dash you could always try monogrammed fly boxes or that sort of thing........

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I have fished the Skeena region for over 40 years. Started with Mitchel egg beaters. Progressed with the times and now I exclusively fish fly rods. I found early on if you put too much pressure on a chinook they head for the salt water and do not come back. I like to keep them moving they tire very quickly if you do that. The first fly reel I owned with a braking system on it was when I started spey rod fly fishing. Found out the same holds true use the brake too hard the big boys head down river hard and chances of getting them in where they are not damaged by the lactic acid in their blood from the fight go way down. Keep your rod pointed towards your closest shore allow the rod and current to be your friend and they come in easy quick and release healthy.
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