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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-17-2017, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
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reel recommendation for ACR 1172 (2wt spey ) and Burky 4 wt

Hi guys and gals,

I wanted to pair my 2 and 4 wt rods with Hardy reels. I have never used them, I don't know how to buy used (not sure what to look out for).... I have been intrigued by them ever since i came to this forums... I see that a lot of people use it here. I would like to save some money so a used Hardy is more appealing to me over a brand new one. Plus, I don't even have to "age" them anymore . Anyway, please give me your suggestions.

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11 foot 7 inch rod?

Id personally go with a Hardy Salmon No. 1 or similar 8 or 9 ounce Hardy reel, such as a St John or 3 7/8" Perfect.
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I'd go with a 3 5/8 in Perfect on the 4 wt (I use one on my 4116 Meiser), and a 3 3/8 Perfect on the 2 wt. Just because I like them.
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Personally I'd find a salmon 1 too heavy on those two rods. A Hardy Marquis #8/9 (basically a smaller version of the same reel) is more the right weight, and maybe a #7 on the 2wt. Those reels are usually available reasonably inexpensive used on eBay and sometime on here. The ones with the black faced spools are very vintage looking. If you are really on a budget the scientific anglers system one #8 is the same reel, and even cheaper and easier to find, but with the SA stamps instead. If for some reason you want a drag reel on such light rods check out the Lamson lp 3 (maybe the LP 2 on the 2 wt), another old reel that has somewhat "classic" looks and can be gotten cheap sometimes on eBay. I also really like an Orvis CFO V (another Hardy made reel) on my sage 4116, but maybe those ones are just staring to get into the "expensive vintage" catigory rather than just old vintage. I also am happy with a 3 3/8 wide spool perfect (not a vintage size) on rods that weight and lenght, but Perfects are well into the expensive category - expensive, but more or less guaranteed against buyer's remorse.
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I think the Salmon 1 would also be too heavy. Hardy made reels for Orvis (a bigger Battenkill might balance) or an older SA. But as some suggested, it won't say "Hardy", but it sounds like one with same attention to quality.
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Totally subjective.

I was thinking a Hardy Zenith might be one slightly-lighter option BUT I mount either a Salmon No.1 or a St. John on a 12 footer (Sage 5120) and those felt light like a was fighting to keep the tip high while swinging. Past tense since I reversed the reel-seat and now the heavier options strike a better balance. I imagine a lighter reel on the usual up-locking configuration would be too light based on that. Totally subjective.

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First of, thanks for the replies! I also wanted to let you guys know that I am a lefty so i retrieved with my right hand. Are these reels convertible from right hand to left hander? Are the older models capable of changing from LHR to RHR? And finally, why is there such a big following here for these reels? Is it the history? The looks and the click sounds? THanks.
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First of, thanks for the replies! I also wanted to let you guys know that I am a lefty so i retrieved with my right hand. Are these reels convertible from right hand to left hander? Are the older models capable of changing from LHR to RHR? And finally, why is there such a big following here for these reels? Is it the history? The looks and the click sounds? THanks.
All of the ones mentioned so far are, except maybe for some of the very old perfects. And most of those are already RHW.
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You'll have to look closely at The Perfect and the St. John as the older models are most often right-hand-wind by design with fewer left-hand-wind models produced. You can flip the pawl on those RHW Perfects and St. Johns (literally remove the pawl from the post , flip and re-install,) check the tension at max setting in-comming versus out-going AND IF you feel a difference or are OK with what you feel... then they are convertible. Some RHW St John (with same check as the RHW Perfect) won't as much as properly engage the gear with a flipped pawl. It's a dead give away that they are not convertible.

The Marquis, The Salmon-series and Zenith (among others with similar checks) are truelly-convertible meaning all it takes to convert is to engage one pawl while disengaging the other.

I'll let you know the reason that I moved to Hardy was first on recommendation by a fried due to issues with drags and loose tolerances between spools and frames on several modern drag reels. Capacity -versus- the weight was the other major reason. Many modern reels at the time where simply too light too limited to shooting-head systems with nothing but the thinest backings and running lines. I purchased a Hardy 3 3/4" Perfect and haven't looked back since. Besides... the anodized Bougle and other anodized models will do saltwater-duty just fine as long as they are taken care of.
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and the play-by-play that Hardy reels emit while under hot fish - like an overly excited sports announcer ( soccer especially) can really grown you... did for me.
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First of, thanks for the replies! I also wanted to let you guys know that I am a lefty so i retrieved with my right hand. Are these reels convertible from right hand to left hander? Are the older models capable of changing from LHR to RHR? And finally, why is there such a big following here for these reels? Is it the history? The looks and the click sounds? THanks.
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I would think Hardy, St. Aidan.
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Hardy Reel

I own a ACR 11'7" 3WT and it balances nicely with a Hardy Perfect 3 5/8 and a Hardy St.John expanded arbour(which I believe is lighter then its standard model). Gary recommended the Perfect 3 5/8 or Hardy Zenith.


Here's the St.John on the 3WT.

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and the play-by-play that Hardy reels emit while under hot fish - like an overly excited sports announcer ( soccer especially) can really grown you... did for me.
I've never heard the sound of a squawking Hardy so well put... "like an overly excited sports announcer (soccer especially) I love it. Hoping for a winning goal or two in "extra time" next week.
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If you want a more modern look, and a disc drag, the Hardy UL series is very nice. The older models of this series are now on closeout. The 6000 DD balances nicely with my Meiser 10'6" 345 Switch rod. And, I ordered an 8000 DD for a Scott T3H 1105. There are new model replacement which look very similar, just cost more. That said, I also own, and like a lot, both the St Aidan and St John. They are true switch reels and the sound is fantastic.

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